tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3514796410417714314.post994229322195198522..comments2023-10-01T05:24:02.829-05:00Comments on SavageSoto: Changing the law, Doesnt change the heartSavageSotohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08790725943678903754noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3514796410417714314.post-78525709767128795372009-06-30T13:22:18.576-05:002009-06-30T13:22:18.576-05:00Again, I agree with Josh in that the goverment sho...Again, I agree with Josh in that the goverment shouldnt persay "cultivate" for changing social norms, and that yes in a way it DOES effect other people negatively. But I just dont think changing the law one way or the other deals with the "heart" of the matter which again...is the heart of the people that would endorse abortion or gay marriage regardless of its legal.<br /><br />Id rather try and show those people love and the God I serve and let true social transformation change through that, while in the process help bring someone to Christ.SavageSotohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08790725943678903754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3514796410417714314.post-37734261061787999932009-06-29T22:53:01.148-05:002009-06-29T22:53:01.148-05:00I've been wondering if meeting someone who exu...I've been wondering if meeting someone who exuded the presence of the Almighty would have made a difference to me. Does that actually 'change anyone's heart'? I think not unless it's someone who I had regular contact with. What's the point of walking around overflowing with the spirit? Does it help anyone but ourselves?<br /><br />I do remember for a while not paying any attention to anything about myself, all my focus was on I AM and 'his' love for everyone. It DID make a lot of difference, I saw lots of people affected and changing their lives. I wonder why I don't care to always be like that?TMinutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3514796410417714314.post-9560354038868430522009-06-29T21:15:41.139-05:002009-06-29T21:15:41.139-05:00but what Im saying is we should attack the heart, ...but what Im saying is we should attack the heart, not the law. Im aware of the effects, and yes in the case of abortion I would definitly say it infringes upon anothers life(a babys).<br /><br />but society is going to do those things anyway, whether there is a law about it or not<br /><br /><br />I guess the whole point of the blog wasnt to argue whether it hurts anyone. It was really just to say I feel we should help hearts change rather than laws. Im not worried about the laws, and if you change them you still have another issue...the heart of those people that WANT to do it. they dont come to God by you implicating a law that says "you have to do it this way"<br /><br />if you affect a persons heart an show them the right way in love...the need for such a law becomes irrelevent. thats my pointSavageSotohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08790725943678903754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3514796410417714314.post-38140168303242616852009-06-29T17:09:10.730-05:002009-06-29T17:09:10.730-05:00Joshua is right in that it affects the whole socie...Joshua is right in that it affects the whole society detrimentally. People like to argue that homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone but it does. I also keep hearing the argument that it's not against nature because you see it at times in animals as well - animals eat their own excrement and eat each other raw too, so that doesn't really help the argument. <br /><br />However, it's also true that making laws doesn't help much. I'm undecided about the whole business of law because it does help in some ways, lets people know what's acceptable in a society but it doesn't keep them from breaking the laws as well as we might like. Laws based on peoples' preferences may be the only fair way on earth but it doesn't mean it's the best.TMinutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3514796410417714314.post-35882788774534132732009-06-29T14:49:38.437-05:002009-06-29T14:49:38.437-05:00"As long as someone elses choices do not infr..."As long as someone elses choices do not infringe on the way others live, I pretty much think people should be allowed to do it."<br /><br />Has to be balanced with:<br /><br />"I truly believe we as Christians, should be more concerned about loving people and showing them the God we serve, rather than trying to impart laws for our own self-centered, self-concerned motives...and then claim that "its what God wants"."<br /><br />It's discerning when one overpowers the other that political disagreement occurs. You used the examples of abortion and gay marriage as issues that we Christians ought not confront in the political arena. I assume this is because you are claiming they fall under the category of "choices [that] do not infringe on the way others live". I guess I just can't agree with your classification. Abortion obviously infringes on one party's life. Gay marriage certainly infringes directly on any children raised in such a home, and indirectly in perverting our society's sense of normalcy. <br /><br />There is a big difference between the message the lack of law concerning homosexuality communicates, (We should not persecute others even if we find them gross) and the message a law that actually endorses, legitimizes, and cultivates a particular lifestyle, such as a gay marriage law does. <br /><br />Consider this applied to another issue such as drugs. It would be one thing to legalize drugs. (which I support) It would communicate that there is a segment of our population that is going to damage themselves regardless of any laws, and there is nothing we can do about it. It would be another thing to create a cultural acceptance of drug use through some kind of civic ceremony or institution... say the government opened up official crack houses and opium dens, provided the drugs, and taught in schools that being a drug addict was a perfectly normal, healthy choice. I am not saying a homosexual is "as bad as" a drug addict, my point is about government adjusting cultural norms though laws. This would communicate something else entirely than simply letting drugs be legal.<br /><br />So to say something like gay marriage "doesn't hurt anyone" is to make implicit claims about what "hurt" and who "anyone" counts as. Does a general decline in moral sensitivity count as "hurt"? Does the affect of our cultural norms on almost every person in that culture count as "anyone"?<br /><br />I agree that no Christian should be getting angry or vitriolic about these issues, but I disagree that they are strictly interior "heart issues".Josh Foremanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05522491775240272109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3514796410417714314.post-36401007667240837522009-06-29T08:43:47.016-05:002009-06-29T08:43:47.016-05:00This is certainly a topic I feel very strongly abo...This is certainly a topic I feel very strongly about. I completely agree with your comment "I don't see it as any greater a 'sin', than premarital sex, lust, lying, or gossip." I'm not exactly sure how homosexuality was taken to this invisible sin platform that makes it so much greater in society's eyes than any other. Isn't it ultimately God who will judge the lives we've lived and the decisions we've made? With that said, who are we to decide what rights someone should be given? While a certain lifestyle may or may not be right for you, one has to agree that a person is no less a person merely because they are homosexual. It's quite sad actually that this group of society is discriminated upon just as many other ethnic and socio-economic classes have been.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10484555793750858362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3514796410417714314.post-57389703080335188982009-06-28T23:43:26.024-05:002009-06-28T23:43:26.024-05:00well hey, thanks. Feel free to comment no matter w...well hey, thanks. Feel free to comment no matter what, I like feedback, even negitave :)SavageSotohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08790725943678903754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3514796410417714314.post-69501421511481229012009-06-28T22:36:53.901-05:002009-06-28T22:36:53.901-05:00This is a wonderful blog to follow. I always want ...This is a wonderful blog to follow. I always want to comment but you say it so well, I don't have much to say but that I agree!TMinutnoreply@blogger.com